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He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. I guess the doctor labelled you as "noncompliant." I think you need to find a doctor who specializes in ADHD. 20 mg of Ritalin is not enough to cause addiction, and an experienced doctor should know this.
What dosage of Ritalin is addictive? My 15 year old daughter’s Ritalin has just been increased to 20 mg three times a day since she is failing some of her classes.
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What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate?
To see if my body can tolerate Ritalin. To make my life difficult. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable.
Ritalin Kills, according to this doctor. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription?
Because he thinks that I will abuse it, and he doesn’t want to take responsibility for my "death" Or because He wants to make my life difficut. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though.
He already told me. See above.
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I guess the doctor labelled you as "noncompliant."
I think so, since he was on the phone talking with someone else in his native language, and at one point he laighed at "ADD-Hahaha" with him. Id didn’t understand anything else. I think you need to find a doctor who specializes in ADHD.
I’ll phone the psychologist at Royal Victoria hospital who wrote me the assessement and tell him what happened. I’m pretty sure that he will know a ADD doctor somewhere.
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What dosage of Ritalin is addictive? My 15 year old daughter’s Ritalin has just been increased to 20 mg three times a day since she is failing some of her classes.
The reason given that she is failing her classes is that she isn’t taking enough Ritalin? Are any other reasons being suggested? Has anyone suggested that maybe her teacher is incompentent? JAck
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate? To see if my body can tolerate Ritalin. To make my life difficult. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable. Ritalin Kills, according to this doctor. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription? Because he thinks that I will abuse it, and he doesn’t want to take responsibility for my "death" Or because He wants to make my life difficut. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though. He already told me. See above.
I know its hard to do in montreal ( i have a friend that lives there) but get a new dr. And i suggest getting permission before trying your meds in different ways cause canadians are real nervous about adults using what they consider meds for children…..not that the amount you took was huge, but sometimes you gotta go slow. Me and my dr have an agreement on top dose (well and that i don’t take top dose all at once or somethign silly) and then she lets me take it as i like, but i’ve been taking it on and off for more than 7 years…originally how to take it was more codified. Once she finds the safe ok schedule for her adult adhd patients she lets them medicate taht way, she figures she doesn’t know each day if we need to concentrate, and its lifelong so we might as well figure out how to do it ourselves (but this IS after she’s known you for a while and she was origianlly nervous about my dex dosage (she knew mainly child doses). She talked with a US doctor who said i could take double…well she said she didnt’ agree with that but wasn’t going to argue or worry about what i was taking then Marcie
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Ephedrine is not safe, it has been linked to heart attacks. I see the nicenesss of the idea, before i knew this i suggested my adhd brother try it (he is into natural stuff and there is a source of natural ephedrine from a plant, where they got the idea for amphetamines).
Uhm, "Ma Huang", or "Natural Ephedrine" is just as dangerous as Ephedrine HCl It’s been used in China for many years and so has ephedrine. I used to take ephedrine for my asthma, and that’s when I found it helps with ADHD. Quite frankly, they’re the same damned thing. For anyone trying to figure out dossage, 300mg Ma Huang is approx. 25mg ephedrine HCl I would never suggest it now. It kills
Yeah, so do tricyclics, so do wellbutrin, effexor, SSRIs, and stimulants. Hey, Asprin kills some people, and so does penicillin. The people that generally have an adverse reaction are people with inherent heart problems, or people that are abusing it. I know how to use it and I know I don’t have a heart problem because I’ve had a few EKGs before. Caffeine may help though, and tryciclics can be decent although if you get dry mouth make sure your brush a lot it increases tooth rot, something my dentist didn’t know.
Somehow, I’m not willing to put that shit in my body… Caffeine or tricyclics, the fact that my grandmother died from a seizure when she was on a tricyclic doesn’t help matters. -i
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He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. I guess the doctor labelled you as "noncompliant." I think you need to find a doctor who specializes in ADHD. 20 mg of Ritalin is not enough to cause addiction, and an experienced doctor should know this. What dosage of Ritalin is addictive? My 15 year old daughter’s Ritalin has just been increased to 20 mg three times a day since she is failing some of her classes.
I think it is very hard to get addicted to Ritalin at any dose (hopefully others here who are more knowledgeable can back me up or correct me). Ritalin was developed specifically *not* to be addictive like amphetamines. I have read that there are no known cases of addiction at prescription levels – and 60 mg/ a day is a normal prescription level. So I see no reason to worry about that particular eventuality.
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Ritalin Kills, according to this doctor.
Actually it’s a lot safer than Tylenol. FWIW
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I think it is very hard to get addicted to Ritalin at any dose (hopefully others here who are more knowledgeable can back me up or correct me). Ritalin was developed specifically *not* to be addictive like amphetamines. I have read that there are no known cases of addiction at prescription levels – and 60 mg/ a day is a normal prescription level. So I see no reason to worry about that particular eventuality.
The street price around here is about $20 per tab of Ritalin. That suggests to me that it is addictive but it also suggests that the potential for addiction is in it’s improper use. Jack America makes prodigious mistakes, America has colossal faults, but one thing cannot be denied: America is always on the move. She may be going to Hell, of course, but at least she isn’t standing still. E. E. Cummings
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The street price around here is about $20 per tab of Ritalin.
Wow! It’s a good thing I’m not criminally minded! :-)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ephedrine is not safe, it has been linked to heart attacks. I see the nicenesss of the idea, before i knew this i suggested my adhd brother try it (he is into natural stuff and there is a source of natural ephedrine from a plant, where they got the idea for amphetamines). Uhm, "Ma Huang", or "Natural Ephedrine" is just as dangerous as Ephedrine HCl It’s been used in China for many years and so has ephedrine. I used to take ephedrine for my asthma, and that’s when I found it helps with ADHD. Quite frankly, they’re the same damned thing. For anyone trying to figure out dossage, 300mg Ma Huang is approx. 25mg ephedrine HCl I would never suggest it now. It kills Yeah, so do tricyclics, so do wellbutrin, effexor, SSRIs, and stimulants. Hey, Asprin kills some people, and so does penicillin. The people that generally have an adverse reaction are people with inherent heart problems, or people that are abusing it. I know how to use it and I know I don’t have a heart problem because I’ve had a few EKGs before. Caffeine may help though, and tryciclics can be decent although if you get dry mouth make sure your brush a lot it increases tooth rot, something my dentist didn’t know. Somehow, I’m not willing to put that shit in my body… Caffeine or tricyclics, the fact that my grandmother died from a seizure when she was on a tricyclic doesn’t help matters. -i
I thought i’d been clear…i know mah hong is the natural form of ephedrine, thats why i suggested it to my brother (whose into natural stuff). But there have been several high publicity deaths recently ( i believe a baseball player?). It was never really tested because it came out before testing. My understanding is that ritalin or dexedrine are much safer. OTOH you can try pseudoephedrine i think (check with dr to be sure). I use it occaisonally like if i stay later at a friends house and want to watch a movie. It is the main ingredient in sudafed and most decongestants. However it will not work continuously for what i hear. YMMV Marcie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. I guess the doctor labelled you as "noncompliant." I think you need to find a doctor who specializes in ADHD. 20 mg of Ritalin is not enough to cause addiction, and an experienced doctor should know this. What dosage of Ritalin is addictive? My 15 year old daughter’s Ritalin has just been increased to 20 mg three times a day since she is failing some of her classes. I think it is very hard to get addicted to Ritalin at any dose (hopefully others here who are more knowledgeable can back me up or correct me). Ritalin was developed specifically *not* to be addictive like amphetamines. I have read that there are no known cases of addiction at prescription levels – and 60 mg/ a day is a normal prescription level. So I see no reason to worry about that particular eventuality.
Umm i’ve known non-adders that do abuse ritalin. the few i have known snort it. In the west coast they mix it with talwin to make a poor man’s highball (so its called aka t &r’s) and then they shoot it up.) Of course snorting or shooting up are not the normal way to take the medication and they are probably using high doses Marcie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it is very hard to get addicted to Ritalin at any dose (hopefully others here who are more knowledgeable can back me up or correct me). Ritalin was developed specifically *not* to be addictive like amphetamines. I have read that there are no known cases of addiction at prescription levels – and 60 mg/ a day is a normal prescription level. So I see no reason to worry about that particular eventuality. The street price around here is about $20 per tab of Ritalin. That suggests to me that it is addictive but it also suggests that the potential for addiction is in it’s improper use.
That street Ritalin can be used in two ways, one of which is likely to be addictive and dangerous, while the other probably is not. [Please note: I am not endorsing either kind of unprescribed use.] IIRC, some surveys have found that students and other individuals may take unprescribed Ritalin in prescribed doses in order to stay awake to study or otherwise increase alertness. While illegal, such use is probably unlikely to be addictive for those individuals any more than for ADHDers who take Ritalin as prescribed. OTOH, some of the street Ritalin is crushed, then snorted or injected to get the "rush" that taking the medication orally doesn’t produce. Abuse of methylphenidate in that way reportedly can cause addiction. And, the binders and other inactive ingredients used in the pills can cause a number of serious health problems, including lung cancer which has been linked to the snorting of the pill’s talc binder. This information about the dangers of methylphenidate abuse is from the US DEA website: "The abuse of this substance has been documented among narcotic addicts who dissolve the tablets in water and inject the mixture. Complications arising from this practice are common due to the insoluble fillers used in the tablets. When injected, these materials block small blood vessels, causing serious damage to the lungs and retina of the eye. Binge use, psychotic episodes, cardiovascular complications, and severe psychological addiction have all been associated with methylphenidate abuse." http://www.usdoj.gov:80/dea/concern/methylphenidate.html Keep in mind that it may be that methylphenidate abuse or other types of substance abuse are the attempts at self medication by those who are not receiving effective treatment for ADHD or other disorders–which may explain the studies which found that children and teens with ADHD who are treated with medication are less likely to become substance abusers than ADHD teens who do not receive effective treatment. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. I guess the doctor labelled you as "noncompliant." I think you need to find a doctor who specializes in ADHD. 20 mg of Ritalin is not enough to cause addiction, and an experienced doctor should know this. What dosage of Ritalin is addictive? My 15 year old daughter’s Ritalin has just been increased to 20 mg three times a day since she is failing some of her classes.
I’ve done quite a bit of research on the issue and have never found a study which concluded that Ritalin (methylphenidate), when taken as prescribed in the amounts typically prescribed for the treatment of ADHD, is addictive. A former regular ASAD poster said that she’d done an exhaustive search of the medical literature for such a study and found nothing. OTOH, there’s this: "New Research Helps Explain Ritalin’s Low Abuse Potential When Taken as Prescribed" http://www.nida.nih.gov/MedAdv/98/MA-929.html Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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OTOH, some of the street Ritalin is crushed, then snorted or injected to get the "rush" that taking the medication orally doesn’t produce. Abuse of methylphenidate in that way reportedly can cause addiction.
That certainly makes sense.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate? Because unlike you , he is a DOCTOR who prefers a through work up on patients he has actually MET and examined before prescribing drugs? Unlike you he is responsible for the effects of his prescriptions. Joe Parsons These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. It sounds as though your doctor has little knowledge of ADHD or its treatment–especially with regard to that particular treatment. It sounds like you are irresponsibly attempting to undermine posters faith in good responsible medical practitioners. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable. It is also a fact that *abuse* of those drugs has the potential to cause addiction or dependence and numerous side effects. People with a history of addiction may be at risk to upping their dosage to an abuse level, or to hoard the medication and binge later. But the ABuse of a drug is not an indictment of its usefulenss or appropriateness. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription? because he was abusing the drug and altering dosages to suit himself? I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. 20 mg b.i.d. or t.i.d. is a very common dosage. you are not a doctor and know jack shit about individual requirements of unmet stangers nor will you be around to pick up the pieces of any untoward effects of your "advice" Any suggestions? There are other doctors in Canada who work with ADHD. I’m sure some of the Canadian folks here can offer some suggestions. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though. In other words these are questions to be put to the doctor not you. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore No but i can tell you that up to 60mg of Ritalin is not considered an impossible dose in Ottawa, or even higher for some….when i was being evluated for adult add the doctor guessed i’d need 60 right away, unfortunately i got very bad side effects at 30. I take 20-40 mg of dexedrine which is twice as strong as ritalin and works out to 40-80 mg of ritalin. This is with increased weight as well (i gained on epival, 60 pounnds almost and dose is somewhat related to weight), before i gained wieght 30mg of dexedrine was about my limit
exactly dosage is related to weight and all kinds of factors and ruling out cardiac problems in some cases too. It is unsuprising that the doctor is concerned with the do-it-yourself tampering and experimenting rather than taking his prescribed dosage — "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today." – Theodore Roosevelt, 19 April 1906
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate?
Because unlike you , he is a DOCTOR who prefers a through work up on patients he has actually MET and examined before prescribing drugs? Unlike you he is responsible for the effects of his prescriptions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe Parsons These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. It sounds as though your doctor has little knowledge of ADHD or its treatment–especially with regard to that particular treatment.
It sounds like you are irresponsibly attempting to undermine posters faith in good responsible medical practitioners. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable. It is also a fact that *abuse* of those drugs has the potential to cause addiction or dependence and numerous side effects. People with a history of addiction may be at risk to upping their dosage to an abuse level, or to hoard the medication and binge later. But the ABuse of a drug is not an indictment of its usefulenss or appropriateness. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription?
because he was abusing the drug and altering dosages to suit himself? I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. 20 mg b.i.d. or t.i.d. is a very common dosage.
you are not a doctor and know jack shit about individual requirements of unmet stangers nor will you be around to pick up the pieces of any untoward effects of your "advice" Any suggestions? There are other doctors in Canada who work with ADHD. I’m sure some of the Canadian folks here can offer some suggestions. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though.
In other words these are questions to be put to the doctor not you. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. Any suggestions?
Unfortunately, you’re seeing what doctors are. Stupid. They’re more concerned about drug abuse than helping you with your problem. The other option is always to LIE because if you tell the truth, you’re screwed. What I don’t understand, is why don’t doctors give you a weekly prescription if they’re so worried about abuse? Or even a prescription that you have to fill every two days or something, much the way methodone and heroine are prescribed. You can also try Ephedrine HCl, two 25mg tablets helps me study for about 3 hours, but it does cause jitteriness, etc. and it eventually wears off so you have to take more and more. Which is a problem. If you’re skinny, you can try the tricyclic anti-depressants, but people have been known to have seizures on them (mind you, people have had seizures on ritallin too) and weight gain is another major factor as well as a host of other side effects you probably don’t want to get into. If you’re rich, i would suggest you get the drugs illegally, since that seems to be your best bet. Oh, and try this website. http://www.addaq.ca/montreal.html I hope you have a copy of your psychiatrists report saying that ADHD is a possibility because you’ll need it. Bonne Chance! -i
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. Any suggestions? Unfortunately, you’re seeing what doctors are. Stupid. They’re more concerned about drug abuse than helping you with your problem. The other option is always to LIE because if you tell the truth, you’re screwed. What I don’t understand, is why don’t doctors give you a weekly prescription if they’re so worried about abuse? Or even a prescription that you have to fill every two days or something, much the way methodone and heroine are prescribed. You can also try Ephedrine HCl, two 25mg tablets helps me study for about 3 hours, but it does cause jitteriness, etc. and it eventually wears off so you have to take more and more. Which is a problem. If you’re skinny, you can try the tricyclic anti-depressants, but people have been known to have seizures on them (mind you, people have had seizures on ritallin too) and weight gain is another major factor as well as a host of other side effects you probably don’t want to get into. If you’re rich, i would suggest you get the drugs illegally, since that seems to be your best bet. Oh, and try this website. http://www.addaq.ca/montreal.html I hope you have a copy of your psychiatrists report saying that ADHD is a possibility because you’ll need it. Bonne Chance! -i
Ephedrine is not safe, it has been linked to heart attacks. I see the nicenesss of the idea, before i knew this i suggested my adhd brother try it (he is into natural stuff and there is a source of natural ephedrine from a plant, where they got the idea for amphetamines). I would never suggest it now. It kills Caffeine may help though, and tryciclics can be decent although if you get dry mouth make sure your brush a lot it increases tooth rot, something my dentist didn’t know. Marcie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate? Because unlike you , he is a DOCTOR who prefers a through work up on patients he has actually MET and examined before prescribing drugs? Unlike you he is responsible for the effects of his prescriptions. Joe Parsons These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. It sounds as though your doctor has little knowledge of ADHD or its treatment–especially with regard to that particular treatment. It sounds like you are irresponsibly attempting to undermine posters faith in good responsible medical practitioners. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable. It is also a fact that *abuse* of those drugs has the potential to cause addiction or dependence and numerous side effects. People with a history of addiction may be at risk to upping their dosage to an abuse level, or to hoard the medication and binge later. But the ABuse of a drug is not an indictment of its usefulenss or appropriateness. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription? because he was abusing the drug and altering dosages to suit himself? I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. 20 mg b.i.d. or t.i.d. is a very common dosage. you are not a doctor and know jack shit about individual requirements of unmet stangers nor will you be around to pick up the pieces of any untoward effects of your "advice" Any suggestions? There are other doctors in Canada who work with ADHD. I’m sure some of the Canadian folks here can offer some suggestions. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though. In other words these are questions to be put to the doctor not you. "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". http://www.schizoaffective.org/ Thomas.J.Moore
No but i can tell you that up to 60mg of Ritalin is not considered an impossible dose in Ottawa, or even higher for some….when i was being evluated for adult add the doctor guessed i’d need 60 right away, unfortunately i got very bad side effects at 30. I take 20-40 mg of dexedrine which is twice as strong as ritalin and works out to 40-80 mg of ritalin. This is with increased weight as well (i gained on epival, 60 pounnds almost and dose is somewhat related to weight), before i gained wieght 30mg of dexedrine was about my limit Marcie
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I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening.
What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate? Joe Parsons – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school.
It sounds as though your doctor has little knowledge of ADHD or its treatment–especially with regard to that particular treatment. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable. It is also a fact that *abuse* of those drugs has the potential to cause addiction or dependence and numerous side effects. People with a history of addiction may be at risk to upping their dosage to an abuse level, or to hoard the medication and binge later. But the ABuse of a drug is not an indictment of its usefulenss or appropriateness. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription? I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study.
20 mg b.i.d. or t.i.d. is a very common dosage. Any suggestions?
There are other doctors in Canada who work with ADHD. I’m sure some of the Canadian folks here can offer some suggestions. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though. Joe Parsons
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I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening.
What reason did he give you for the blood test before prescribing methylphenidate? (I hit Send too quickly in the earlier post! More follows, below) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school.
It sounds as though your doctor has little knowledge of ADHD or its treatment–especially with regard to that particular treatment. It is a fact that stimulants (like Ritalin) are abusable. It is also a fact that *abuse* of those drugs has the potential to cause addiction or dependence and numerous side effects. People with a history of addiction may be at risk to upping their dosage to an abuse level, or to hoard the medication and binge later. But the ABuse of a drug is not an indictment of its usefulenss or appropriateness. I am curious, though: why would your doctor prescribe Ritalin in the first place, then, after you had found it to be effective, refuse to continue your prescription? I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study.
20 mg b.i.d. or t.i.d. is a very common dosage. Any suggestions?
There are other doctors in Canada who work with ADHD. I’m sure some of the Canadian folks here can offer some suggestions. I would definitely pose those questions to your doctor, though. Joe Parsons
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When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc.
I guess the doctor labelled you as "noncompliant." I think you need to find a doctor who specializes in ADHD. 20 mg of Ritalin is not enough to cause addiction, and an experienced doctor should know this.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. Any suggestions?
There are in Ottawa anyway…when i started ritalin my add expert expected i’d need to take 60mg.(i was in university). Unfortunately i could barely tolerate 20 a day. I did much better on dexedrine but still took 30mg a day(dexedrine is about twice as strong as ritalin but they need to dx you with adhd to get it otherwise unless you have narcolepsy its illegal to rx in canada). I had changed drs and this worried my new doctor a bit….canadian doctors are VERY conservative on doses of stimulants esp since they are used to childrens’ doses. She eventually said she wasn’t so worried when she was at an american conference and they said based on my characteristics in the states i would be given up to 60mg a day. NOt that i would need that. I do have some metabolic reactions taht are strange to the slow release dexedrine spansules (i can’t take the regular stuff causes mood swings for me) but hey, they are at least consistent…its supposed to last up too 12 hours, i loose effective dose at 7.5. I would caution you about experimenting with stimulants not because it doesn’t make good sense but because a lot of canadian drs are like that….and if you go too high it can become dangerous depending on your health situation. Find yourself and adult add doc, he’s more likely to be of help. I didn’t get good add treatment till i did that, although i’m not with one now it started the precedent. good luck Marcie
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I have lots of problems concentrating. Since primary school till now in my late twenties, I hardy remember opening and completely finishing reading a book. I hardly remember begining and finishing a project that I have started. I managed to pass primary and high school with the bare passing mark. In college I couldn’t keep up so in 1995 I dropped out. Last November I saw a psychologist for an ADD evaluation. In his assessement he wrote that he suggests that there’s an ADD possibility. I went to a doctor to prescribe me medication, and in the begining he hesitated a lot. He send me for a blood test. Came back and prescribed me 5mg Riatlin 1x morning 1x evening. These didn’t have any effect nor side effect at all. A week later I took 2x 5mg morning and 2x 5mg pills evening. I noticed a slight jitter, with minimum concentration improvement. But nothing more. So last week, I took 4x 5mg pills making the single dosage 20mg. All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I picked up a book and read 20 pages, understanding everything and without getting distracted. No side effects. When the medication finished, I took an appointment to see my doctor to renew the prescription, hoping to get 20mg pills. I told him the truth. The next thing I realised was that he got pissed so much, at a point where he didn’t renew the prescription. He told me that Ritalin is a dangerous medication and he worries about me getting addicted and it can cause severe side-effects etc. NOW, what should I do? I really want to go back to school. I really want to get my hands back on books and study. Are there any doctors in Montral Canada who are specialised in that kind of medication. I know myself, 20mg is enough to get me to concentrate and study. Any suggestions?
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I was diagnosed with Adult ADD about 10 years ago and took Ritalin for a couple of years – and it did help. My psychiatrist moved and I haven’t found anyone locally who treats Adult ADD (or even really admits that it exists!). I take Paxil for depression / anxiety, but I think if I were propertly medicated for my ADD, those symptons would probably resolve themselves. I live in the southeast – does anyone know of a good doctor in this part of the country, or have any advice on how to find one?
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The Southeast is a pretty big area. Could you narrow it down to a state? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with Adult ADD about 10 years ago and took Ritalin for a couple of years – and it did help. My psychiatrist moved and I haven’t found anyone locally who treats Adult ADD (or even really admits that it exists!). I take Paxil for depression / anxiety, but I think if I were propertly medicated for my ADD, those symptons would probably resolve themselves. I live in the southeast – does anyone know of a good doctor in this part of the country, or have any advice on how to find one?
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I was diagnosed with Adult ADD about 10 years ago and took Ritalin for a couple of years – and it did help. My psychiatrist moved and I haven’t found anyone locally who treats Adult ADD (or even really admits that it exists!). I take Paxil for depression / anxiety, but I think if I were propertly medicated for my ADD, those symptons would probably resolve themselves. I live in the southeast – does anyone know of a good doctor in this part of the country, or have any advice on how to find one?
I don’t live where you do but if you go to a CHADD meeting in your area you might be able to find a doctor who might prescribe for you. You may have to go through a lot of testing to do it but it might work out. A chadd meeting is the best place to find a referal to a doctor who will treat you for your ADD. <a href="http://www.chadd.org/"Chadd<a/ You can self treat with cafiene. Eat a diet with almost no pure sugar and drink a few cups of coffee a day you should be fine. Pure sugar makes your problems worse in my experience. Cafiene is risky sometimes but it workes ok.
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I was diagnosed with Adult ADD about 10 years ago and took Ritalin for a couple of years – and it did help. My psychiatrist moved and I haven’t found anyone locally who treats Adult ADD (or even really admits that it exists!). I take Paxil for depression / anxiety, but I think if I were propertly medicated for my ADD, those symptons would probably resolve themselves. I live in the southeast – does anyone know of a good doctor in this part of the country, or have any advice on how to find one?
1. Terry Matlen’s ADD Consult’s web site http://www.addconsults.com has a directory of professionals who serve individuals with ADHD including physicians, psychologists and coaches. You can search by state. 2. If you are near a hospital with a medical school, they are likely to have doctors on staff who may be more knowledgable about adult ADHD than a doctor in private practice might be. A teaching hospital is also likely to have a physician referral service you can call which will provide you with the names and phone numbers of doctors who treat adult ADHD in clinics at the hospital or who practice or teach at the hospital and also see patients in private practice. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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Hi, I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, reading about ADD, and I have a question. Is it common for any type of ADD in an adult to be responsible for the person losing interest in things – like job, hobbies – just about anything? And also the situation of feeling down or feeling bored unless there is novelty – such as needing to drive a different route to work, rearranging furniture, and especially getting extremely sick and tired (to the point of being miserable) of having to occupy the same physical space at work. I guess I could describe this as a problematic intense need for variety and am wondering if it is shared by adults with ADD. Thanks. Saundra
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Hi, I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, reading about ADD, and I have a question. Is it common for any type of ADD in an adult to be responsible for the person losing interest in things – like job, hobbies – just about anything? And also the situation of feeling down or feeling bored unless there is novelty – such as needing to drive a different route to work, rearranging furniture, and especially getting extremely sick and tired (to the point of being miserable) of having to occupy the same physical space at work. I guess I could describe this as a problematic intense need for variety and am wondering if it is shared by adults with ADD.
*grin* Oh, yes. Those are qualities shared by many of us! The trick is figuring out some way to integrate this need for variety (stimulation) in our daily lives. Joe Parsons – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks. Saundra
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Hi, I’ve been lurking here for quite some time, reading about ADD, and I have a question. Is it common for any type of ADD in an adult to be responsible for the person losing interest in things – like job, hobbies – just about anything? And also the situation of feeling down or feeling bored unless there is novelty – such as needing to drive a different route to work, rearranging furniture, and especially getting extremely sick and tired (to the point of being miserable) of having to occupy the same physical space at work. I guess I could describe this as a problematic intense need for variety and am wondering if it is shared by adults with ADD.
Exactly you are right on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks. Saundra
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I’m having some trouble finding the right practioner to help me with this. There are no add support groups in my area and it seems that the professionals around here know what add is but have no idea as to how it can manifest itself in an adult – i.e. when I tell them that I lose interest in things they just have no clue as to what I’m talking about. I have given these professionals pages and pages of my own documentation clearly detailing the circumstances surrounding my problems. The problems are primarily affecting my ability to secure a steady income – i.e. A JOB!!!! That is the main problem here. Any advice on how I can at least find someone to help alleviate this via meds or anything else? Thanks.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having some trouble finding the right practioner to help me with this. There are no add support groups in my area and it seems that the professionals around here know what add is but have no idea as to how it can manifest itself in an adult – i.e. when I tell them that I lose interest in things they just have no clue as to what I’m talking about. I have given these professionals pages and pages of my own documentation clearly detailing the circumstances surrounding my problems. The problems are primarily affecting my ability to secure a steady income – i.e. A JOB!!!! That is the main problem here. Any advice on how I can at least find someone to help alleviate this via meds or anything else? Thanks.
I just posted these two suggestions on finding a doctor to treat adult ADHD in a reply to a post in another ASAD thread, "Adult ADD treatment." You also might find one of them helpful. 1. Terry Matlen’s ADD Consults web site http://www.addconsults.com has a directory of professionals who serve individuals with ADHD including physicians, psychologists and coaches. You can search by state. 2. If you are near a hospital with a medical school, they are likely to have doctors on staff who may be more knowledgeable about adult ADHD than a doctor in private practice might be. A teaching hospital is also likely to have a physician referral service you can call which will provide you with the names and phone numbers of doctors who treat adult ADHD in clinics at the hospital or who practice or teach at the hospital and also see patients in private practice. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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I’m having some trouble finding the right practioner to help me with this. There are no add support groups in my area and it seems that the professionals around here know what add is but have no idea as to how it can manifest itself in an adult – i.e. when I tell them that I lose
Saundra: I’m in the same boat. I was originally diagnosed with ADD and treated while living in Dallas. Now that I’m in the country, it’s like these Doctors don’t even believe it’s possible for adults to have ADD. The original reason I went to see a Doctor was my Dad – I found out he’d been prescribed Ritalin and I always knew we shared a lot of the same "personality traits". I checked out Nancy’s suggested site and found a Doctor in Houston that I e-mailed. That’s about 60 miles away but he states on his site that he sees patients on a sliding scale basis. Hope this works and good luck to you! Take care, dC
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Saundra: I’m in the same boat. I was originally diagnosed with ADD and treated while living in Dallas. Now that I’m in the country, it’s like these Doctors don’t even believe it’s possible for adults to have ADD. The original reason I went to see a Doctor was my Dad – I found out he’d been prescribed Ritalin and I always knew we shared a lot of the same "personality traits". I checked out Nancy’s suggested site and found a Doctor in Houston that I e-mailed. That’s about 60 miles away but he states on his site that he sees patients on a sliding scale basis. Hope this works and good luck to you! Take care, dC
Well, I was able to find a pretty decent seeming place about 25 miles away from me. They supposedly know a great deal about adult ADD and anxiety – it’s supposed to be their big "thing", so we’ll see what happens when I go to my first appointment in a couple days. The receptionist assured me that when I tell so and so about my condition and symptoms that so and so will definately know what I am talking about. That’s a good INITIAL sign. They have an ADD assessment which includes some sort of testing and follow up. The price? 700 bucks. I will find out more about this when I get there. I just hope that the testing involves more than online ADD tests that I’ve come across. If the assessment is going to serve a big purpose then I’ll pay for it. But now I’m thinking what’s the difference whether or not I know for sure that this is ADD – my situation will still be the same. Thanks for all your advice on this people. :–D Saundra
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My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts. I think that ADD is no excuse whatsoever for cheating. That’s a very deliberate behavior; not an impulse.
I don’t think it’s so much to do with "impulsivity", rather more to do with "self-control". Stefan "I can resist everything, but temptation" (Oscar Wilde)
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Please reply if you have ADD and can discuss your situation with cheating in relationships and/or other relationship problems that you have experienced. Are you more likely to act on your impulses and cheat? Are your impulses controllable? Etc? My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts. Please discuss and fill me in, if you can relate. I claim that he has self-control. Please reply, if you can add some insight.
I am a male and it seems pretty obvious to me that ADHD could be a contributing factor to such behavior. Having said that, we are human beings with a mind and an intellect and capable of reasoning, planning, and considering consequences. If I have ADHD, I am often incapable of marshalling the ability to remember what I am doing throughout the day and often ‘gap’. I often can’t remember what it is I walked into a room to get. This is only one example of the ‘momentary’ failure we may experience as a consequence of ADHD. However, to have an affair requires planning and many premeditated actions. It isn’t the result of a momentary lapse in concentration or restraint. It is probably borne of something identically or akin to what we call ‘adrenaline addiction’. But SO WHAT. At the end of the day: 1) It basically boils down to some mix of lack of self-control and not valuing the relationship with you. There were way too many events on his path to an affair that involved the ‘risk vs. reward’ calculation. Sure, some of us often or sometimes forget to perform this calculation but we DO NOT fail to do it EVERY time. There were too many of these events on that path to say that every one of them was ’skipped’. 2) You might understand his ‘problem’ but you will live with the consequences. There are too many STDs floating around to assume these consequences of his risks. If he is too ‘impulsive’ to not hop in the sack, I think it’s a safe bet that he is too impulsive to at least have safe sex. 3) I don’t know how old he is, but I would imagine (or hope) that there will come a day later in his life that he will a) be able to see the benefit and value of a love that is built over time on a foundation of trust, and b) be able to make the right ‘risk vs. reward’ calculation in one of the many sequential activities of planning on the way to the sack. I don’t think you should hang around, waiting for this day to arrive. There are many men who never see it. There is too much risk (broken heart being the least negative consequence ranging to the worst negative being AIDS) vs. the reward (a loving relationship). You and I both know that there are many people out there that we are capable of finding this kind of love with. It of course isn’t easy to find them. I think he is using this as a lame excuse for wanting to cheat. He loves you but not enough to not do this. You would be a saint and an angel to accept the REAL manifestations of his ADHD (whatever they may be) and love him in spite of them. You would be a fool to risk his finally waking up and becoming monogamous. One other speculation about him, he is probably not afflicted with anti-social traits and is probably ‘hyper-social’. Some ADHDers are like this. They can walk into a room of people and take charge of it and pull it together. He might be like this. I wish you the best and do think a lot of you for being open-minded enough to have come to this group and inquired about this. There are a lot of guys out there who would recognize the value of such a woman.
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Please reply if you have ADD and can discuss your situation with cheating in relationships and/or other relationship problems that you have experienced. Are you more likely to act on your impulses and cheat? Are your impulses controllable? Etc? My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts. Please discuss and fill me in, if you can relate. I claim that he has self-control. Please reply, if you can add some insight.
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Please reply if you have ADD and can discuss your situation with cheating in relationships and/or other relationship problems that you have experienced. Are you more likely to act on your impulses and cheat? Are your impulses controllable? Etc? My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts. Please discuss and fill me in, if you can relate. I claim that he has self-control. Please reply, if you can add some insight.
ADD symptomology does include a lack of impulse control. With me, this lack has never been sexual in a sense that I had other relationships, or an irresistable urge to have one-night-stands, but I know this problem is less prevalent in women, and some ADD men do find their primary urges hard to resist. However, it doesn’t mean he should not even try to control his hunting instinct. There is a difference between hitting someone on the nose and having an affair or a one-night stand. I could accept a lack of impulse control as an excuse for a brawl, it takes a split second to lose one’s temper and hit someone, and one usually regrets it immediately afterwards, when realisation dawns that your impulses have got the better of you again. But to seduce a woman or be seduced takes a fair bit of time. Enough time to aks oneself what the heck you are doing. If he has affairs and one-night-stands and can’t resist them, it sounds more like a compulsion or addiction, a sort of male nymphomaniac, than a mere lack of impulse control. Both compulsive behaviour and addictions are prevalent comorbidities, and sex compulsion and sex addiction are known in ADD men (AND to a lesser degree in women), but they are comorbidities and ought to be treated by a psychiatrist. On the other hand, he might just have found an easy excuse to have his cake and eat it, too. I know quite a few men who’d kill for an excuse like that to go and hunt some skirt. Not that I’d be seen dead with any of them, but that is another matter altogether……
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My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts.
I think that ADD is no excuse whatsoever for cheating. That’s a very deliberate behavior; not an impulse.
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While I agree with you, she asked if it was a reason, not an excuse. Unless you have defined your relationship as somehome "open", it’s certainly a terrible thing to do. That being said, I do think that those with ADD are more likely to cheat, as they more likely to do many impulsive and / or high-risk things. On average they have the same "moral compass" as everyone else, but are less likely to remember to always use it. I don’t think primitive instinct towards (lust / validation / whatever it is) is any more inhibited or exaggerated vs. others. If I were you I’d point out to him ADD or no ADD you’d still throw him out on his ass if he pulled anything like that.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I agree with you, she asked if it was a reason, not an excuse. Unless you have defined your relationship as somehome "open", it’s certainly a terrible thing to do. That being said, I do think that those with ADD are more likely to cheat, as they more likely to do many impulsive and / or high-risk things. On average they have the same "moral compass" as everyone else, but are less likely to remember to always use it. I don’t think primitive instinct towards (lust / validation / whatever it is) is any more inhibited or exaggerated vs. others. If I were you I’d point out to him ADD or no ADD you’d still throw him out on his ass if he pulled anything like that.
I agree. If she’s unhappy with his cheating, whether or not his cheating is related to his ADHD isn’t going to make her any happier. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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@aol.com says… Please reply if you have ADD and can discuss your situation with cheating in relationships and/or other relationship problems that you have experienced. Are you more likely to act on your impulses and cheat? Are your impulses controllable? Etc? My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts. Please discuss and fill me in, if you can relate. I claim that he has self-control. Please reply, if you can add some insight.
Kind of depends on how he gets into the situations. If he goes out deliberately then that’s not ADHD. OTOH, if for whatever reason he strikes up a conversation with someone and then one thing leads to another and he can’t really figure out how to get out of it (remember, ADDers are not always good with social skills–"how do I say _no_ to this woman without hurting her feelings" is a real issue) or he gets hyperfocussed somewhere along the line, that would be more along the lines of what ADHD might cause. OTOH, some ADDers just like a lot of variety. Some are kinky as well. The bottom line is that either (a) he has to stop or (b) you have to accept, and you need to decide which it’s going to be, and if it’s (a) and he won’t stop then you’re in the wrong relationship. — — –John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Please reply if you have ADD and can discuss your situation with cheating in relationships and/or other relationship problems that you have experienced. Are you more likely to act on your impulses and cheat? Are your impulses controllable? Etc? My boyfriend claims that he has a difficult time controlling his impulses, and he claims that ADD causes him to be an adrenaline junkie of sorts. Please discuss and fill me in, if you can relate. I claim that he has self-control. Please reply, if you can add some insight.
I think you are both right… I used to have problems with cheating when I was unmedicated, and I think there was something of an adrenaline rush in finding a new person to be with, and once that rush wore off I wasn’t interested in being with that person anymore–it made for a lot of uncomfortable situations. But I did learn to control it, and Ritalin and other forms ADD treatment made controlling myself much easier. If your boyfriend does have ADD, treatment might help him control his urges. But he can control them even if he has ADD. One thing that might help is, when he sees himself thinking about cheating, to do something else that gives him the same adrenaline rush that comes from cheating. Nobody with ADD has a complete lack of self-control. Sophie — normally prescribed for treating ADHD do not create ‘zombies’. Among other things the students have a pulse and they do not periodically misplace body parts." – J. Clarke
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What should I do?? Do I just have to stick it out for the rest of this year?
concentrate on doing what you can to address the things within your psychological grasp Do I have the right to demand better treatment from my school?
you have the right to ask, but the most you are going to get is different medicine, and if you do get some psychotherapy, an analysis of your motives and behaviors, which you can do yourself
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try reducing your medication to a minimum amount (taken in the morning), and do NOT vary from that amount. second, get regular exercise, but consolidate the exercise to a 3-day weekend period, say, instead of weekdays, when you do school work. (the reason: i think sometimes exercise can make one more hyper, but consolidating it, then coasting through the week, can accomplish the benefits.) third, set up a routine for yourself of going to the library, or some specific study place, like a person goes to an office. i think consolidating a workspace, rather than letting work always be present, is a good way of managing it, while also allowing oneself needed recreation, eg, feeling comfortable NOT doing work those hours when you are free, after hours from the library, and at home. that’s how i got through school. the library daily work time really helped me, and then i was also able to have free time at home. also, actually, one other tip: i learned to take late-in-the-day classes. this really helped. i would do my reading work during the day at the library, go to late classes, then have a relatively free evening. but everyday, i made it a point to be at the library as i would at an office desk job! to this day, i have to have an offsite work place, or i am much too stressed by the demands of work. i need my home space to be a free space, or for projects that are personal ones. \ - – // oooO ( ) ( ) ) / ( (_
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a thought, but ask about going part time. Surely if you have ADD and they aren’t able to find support for you, they should at least accommodate you in that way. Could you get longer for assignments and other tasks? Or even half an hour longer on exams. I’m sure there are ways of making it more fair for you. From what I understand ADD is a recognisable disability and you have a right to equity in education. Perhaps you can pursue this avenue. I actuall did my degree half time. I took twice as long to complete my degree and I found then that I could fit all of it in. I decided very early on that I couldn’t do my degree full time (about three weeks into the course I was already swamped and feeling really depressed) and I changed to half time. That helped a great deal. I don’t know if I have ADD but I did an online questionnaire recently, and it said it was highly probable that I had innattentive ADD and overfocus problems, so I’m planning to find out for sure. Other than that, I can’t think of anything else practical to help.
Thanks for your suggestion! Unfortunately, as attractive as the idea of going to college part-time is, my school is so expensive that it’s not really an option. If I don’t finish this year, I’d have to finish at another (cheaper) school, which I don’t really want to do because I love my school. I was more looking for ways that I could get counseling and help with my ADD while being a full time student. But thanks anyway 
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I’m a college senior at a very small (less than 400 students) college. A year ago I was diagnosed with ADD and I’m receiving treatment for it through the school’s counseling services. However, I’m extremely dissatisfied with them.
The cluelessness you describe was nailed by your friend: the college and town are just too small. You’re going to have to be your own expert and advocate. Non-med approaches: lots and lots of exercise really seems to help. Religious devotion to structure (schedule, etc.) can be a lifesaver. Meds: Getting "dialed in" on meds takes a while. Your friends and professors have to be part of the process, with you starting a med at low dose and gradually upping the dose until the results kick in. If the side effects kick in first, do something different. This is what I mean by taking charge of your own treatment. I don’t know if this will help, but I currently have two ADHD kids attending a small college (but not as small as yours) in a small town. If it’d help to correspond, drop a note and I’ll put you in touch. — | In the course of every project there comes a time | | when the best debugger is a can of gasoline. |
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a college senior at a very small (less than 400 students) college. A year ago I was diagnosed with ADD and I’m receiving treatment for it through the school’s counseling services. However, I’m extremely dissatisfied with them. First of all, although I was seeing a therapist (she doesn’t have a doctorate but she’s licensed to diagnose people… does anyone know what this is called? Psychiatric nurse practicioner, or something similar?) during my second year of college, she didn’t realize that I had ADD. She thought that I was severely depressed and even wanted to put me in a mental hospital for a while so I could "take a break"! Looking back on that time now, I believe that my ADD-related problems were causing my symptoms of depression. I felt hopeless that I would ever get my work done and finish college, and it seemed that college life was okay for everyone except me, but I was desperate to succeed. I’m so glad that I didn’t take her advice and go to the hospital! I think it would have just increased my feelings of failure. I’m glad that I decided to stick it out and stay in college, even though it meant failing a course or two (I have since made up for those lost credits through summer courses). Anyway, the way that I finally *did* get an ADD diagnosis is by realizing *on my own* that I probably had ADD. I went back to the same therapist and asked her about ADD. She gave me the diagnostic questionnaire and sent it to my parents and teachers as well, and after it was determined that I have ADD, she gave me a referral so that I could see the school psychiatrist. I started on medication, but each medication that I’ve tried has problems for me, and I’m never sure whether they’re caused by too high a dose, too low a dose, natural side effects that I just have to live with, or the medication being wrong for me altogether! The psychiatrist doesn’t seem to know, either. I feel like there’s nobody really knowledgeable about ADD medication to help me. The psychiatrist can tell me what she knows, but it’s not much. As for non-medication treatment, forget it. I asked the therapist mentioned above if there was anybody at my school who specialized in ADD treatment and she said "no." I complained about this to a friend of mine, and he said that the size of the college is too small, as I mentioned earlier, for the school to have a therapist who has worked extensively with ADDers. So I feel very alone. I feel like I am basically treating myself, through reading about ADD and trying the organizational and behavior modification methods mentioned in the books I’m reading. That works to an extent, but the books can’t help me with *my* specific problems. I want a therapist who knows a lot about ADD and ADD medication and can help me with both medication and non-medication treatment, but there just isn’t one! I’m also in a very small town, not a city, so it’s hard to find therapists outside of my school who could help me. I also don’t have a car (or a driver’s license) so my options are very limited. What should I do?? Do I just have to stick it out for the rest of this year? Do I have the right to demand better treatment from my school? Sorry for making such a long and rambling post! I hope someone will be able to pay attention long enough to read it
Hi sophie. Just a thought, but ask about going part time. Surely if you have ADD and they aren’t able to find support for you, they should at least accommodate you in that way. Could you get longer for assignments and other tasks? Or even half an hour longer on exams. I’m sure there are ways of making it more fair for you. From what I understand ADD is a recognisable disability and you have a right to equity in education. Perhaps you can pursue this avenue. I actuall did my degree half time. I took twice as long to complete my degree and I found then that I could fit all of it in. I decided very early on that I couldn’t do my degree full time (about three weeks into the course I was already swamped and feeling really depressed) and I changed to half time. That helped a great deal. I don’t know if I have ADD but I did an online questionnaire recently, and it said it was highly probable that I had innattentive ADD and overfocus problems, so I’m planning to find out for sure. Other than that, I can’t think of anything else practical to help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sophie — "Am I really wonderful?" asked the Scarecrow. "You are unusual," replied Glinda.
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I’m a college senior at a very small (less than 400 students) college. A year ago I was diagnosed with ADD and I’m receiving treatment for it through the school’s counseling services. However, I’m extremely dissatisfied with them. First of all, although I was seeing a therapist (she doesn’t have a doctorate but she’s licensed to diagnose people… does anyone know what this is called? Psychiatric nurse practicioner, or something similar?) during my second year of college, she didn’t realize that I had ADD. She thought that I was severely depressed and even wanted to put me in a mental hospital for a while so I could "take a break"! Looking back on that time now, I believe that my ADD-related problems were causing my symptoms of depression. I felt hopeless that I would ever get my work done and finish college, and it seemed that college life was okay for everyone except me, but I was desperate to succeed. I’m so glad that I didn’t take her advice and go to the hospital! I think it would have just increased my feelings of failure. I’m glad that I decided to stick it out and stay in college, even though it meant failing a course or two (I have since made up for those lost credits through summer courses). Anyway, the way that I finally *did* get an ADD diagnosis is by realizing *on my own* that I probably had ADD. I went back to the same therapist and asked her about ADD. She gave me the diagnostic questionnaire and sent it to my parents and teachers as well, and after it was determined that I have ADD, she gave me a referral so that I could see the school psychiatrist. I started on medication, but each medication that I’ve tried has problems for me, and I’m never sure whether they’re caused by too high a dose, too low a dose, natural side effects that I just have to live with, or the medication being wrong for me altogether! The psychiatrist doesn’t seem to know, either. I feel like there’s nobody really knowledgeable about ADD medication to help me. The psychiatrist can tell me what she knows, but it’s not much. As for non-medication treatment, forget it. I asked the therapist mentioned above if there was anybody at my school who specialized in ADD treatment and she said "no." I complained about this to a friend of mine, and he said that the size of the college is too small, as I mentioned earlier, for the school to have a therapist who has worked extensively with ADDers. So I feel very alone. I feel like I am basically treating myself, through reading about ADD and trying the organizational and behavior modification methods mentioned in the books I’m reading. That works to an extent, but the books can’t help me with *my* specific problems. I want a therapist who knows a lot about ADD and ADD medication and can help me with both medication and non-medication treatment, but there just isn’t one! I’m also in a very small town, not a city, so it’s hard to find therapists outside of my school who could help me. I also don’t have a car (or a driver’s license) so my options are very limited. What should I do?? Do I just have to stick it out for the rest of this year? Do I have the right to demand better treatment from my school? Sorry for making such a long and rambling post! I hope someone will be able to pay attention long enough to read it Sophie — "Am I really wonderful?" asked the Scarecrow. "You are unusual," replied Glinda.
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Dave, you obviously have a strong bias against medications for psychiatric problems.
Obvious because I’m honest? Frankly, psychiatric treatment usually isn’t any better, although CBT is a vast improvement over psychoanalysis/ECT/leeches. I don’t know whether or not Prozac might or might not help Edgar, and what the side effects might be like for him, I’ve never taken it myself, but I do know that a lot of people have been significantly helped by such medications, their lives turned around. I don’t think your standpoint automatically against such medications is correct.
I don’t think your assumption that I’m automatically against such medications is correct either. But it’s not the first time I’ve been accused of it. Almost guaranteed to. It’s pretty obvious that your immune system is messed up, with Adderall and Prozac being stimulants, it’s not going to help. Prozac is an anti-depressant, not a stimulant.
No. Prozac is a SSRI. You see, depression in DSM-IV doesn’t mean depression any more. The criteria have tended towards the symptoms of people that Prozac might actually help. I’ve never heard that either type has an effect on the immune system. Show us your source for either drug affecting the immune system.
It’s common sense really. You can start with Candace Pert’s Molecules of Emotion: "every neuropeptide receptor we could find in the brain is also on the surface of the human monocyte." You do know that Adderall is Speed, right? The exact same Speed that young people buy illegally, possess illegally, take in clubs illegally and often get addicted to. The stimulant dosages used for treatment of ADD are not at all comparable to the dosages used by illegal recreational speed users.
Please define "not at all comparable". I once took 400mg of Prozac. Was fun for about an hour and a half. You see, it peaks after an hour. And yet doctors tell you to take it for 4-6 weeks. No-one knows why. Sounds like you are one of those recreational drug users. People don’t take Prozac for "fun", but because it has been prescribed to them for serious problems. And no one takes 400 mg of it at once! That’s an incredible dose. Lucky you’re alive!
You’re right, it was 40mg. Maximum recommended dosage is 80mg. Yes, doctors do "know why" they prescribe medicines for the length of time they prescribe it for.
But you don’t? 
Go ask one – I’d love to hear their answer. Dave (professional PSYCHO-therapist), http://www.deep-trance.com You are a professional "psycho-therapist"? Hard to believe.
Like I care what you believe. (I don’t have time to look at the web site now.) (Easier to believe the part before the hyphen, as one might have to be "psycho" to take 400 mg of Prozac.) What are your credentials as a psychotherapist? Is your method of therapy to put people in a "deep trance" (from the name of your web site). Are you a hypnotist?
I could explain it to you, but that would take a long time and you probably still wouldn’t get it. No offence – but I’ve tried that before. No, I don’t like pushing my authority and I wouldn’t wish anyone to pander to it. The only people I give credence to are those who are able to justify what they say with common sense. Dave, http://www.deep-trance.com Goodbye freedom: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25891.html
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I’m saying that he’s brave for using an antispam email address while spamming 11 groups.
I guess you have an unusual definition of the word "spam". From what I understand the meaning of the word to be, in its Internet (not canned meat) usage, it refers to unsolicited e-mail ads. That is what the anti-spam fake e-mail address for newsgroup posting protects from, as the spammers get their e-mail spam lists from newsgroups. Was there any advertising in what I wrote? I was not selling Prozac, just asking questions about it, wanting to discuss it. I explained my reason for posting to several newsgroups, that all could have some relation to the topic of Prozac. Cross-posting does not equal "spam". Spam is unsolicited unwanted bulk advertising on the Internet. Prozac is easy to prescribe to patients, partly because its side effect profile is much nicer than the other antidepressants given its tremendous positive benefits.
If we can put the argument about "what is spam" aside, since you seem knowledgeable about the medication, I have a further question about it for you. (I think I asked this in another post already (not the original one), but don’t know if you saw it.) From what I have heard and read, including from my psychiatrist, it takes a while for one to start experiencing the positive benefits of Prozac, perhaps even 4 to 6 weeks. My question is: if one is also going to experience some negative side effects of Prozac, such as those discussed, will that happen at about the same time? Will that also take weeks? Or would one experience the side effects sooner-immediately, a few days, one week? Of course, I know that medications affect each individual differently, so there is no way to give a definitive answer regarding how long it might take me to feel negative side effects of the medication, if I am going to feel any. But in general, do the side effects usually take the same length of time to come on as the intended effect, or do they usually come on sooner? Thank you for your input.
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Of course, the biggest problem about cross posting to so many groups is that you increase the amount of people available for mud slinging once it starts and as this very post shows, some of the posts go way off track to the original question. I suspect this thread will run and run and run….. Regards, Andrew Austin. — NLP, Neurology, Schizophrenia: http://www.23NLPeople.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Please don’t think this message is spam or trollery, due to the fact that I posted it to several newsgroups, as it is neither. It’s cross-posted; that’s bad enough. Where is there a law against cross-posting? How is that "bad enough"? It’s true that spammers and trolls often crosspost to many unrelated newsgroups. It’s quite clear, as this guy said, that what he wrote is not spam or a troll post, but some serious questions, and all the NGs he posted it to were related to the topic. I don’t see anything wrong with that. What’s "bad" about that? If you look at the list of NGs I posted to, you’ll see that they all are related to the topic. I’m posting from a depression group, not a medication group. Are you saying that a post about the medication Prozac, certainly one of the major anti-depressants, is not relevant to a depression group? Please explain. Do you see any newsgroup he posted to, to which the topic of "Prozac" is not relevant? Is this the first time someone discussed a medication on the depression group? I don’t know which newsgroup might be more likely to have someone reading who could give me useful input into these questions, so I’m crossposting to several related newsgroups. You’re too lazy to do any research. Asking people to share their experiences with a medication is being "lazy"? Somehow, I don’t get that connection. Discussion with others = laziness? If you reply, please do not delete some of the NGs in your reply. I’ll do as I please, just as you have done. Of course, you can do as you please. You can go stand on your head now for an hour, if you wish. He was just making a request. Of course he cannot force you to do anything. Is there something wrong with his making a request, regarding how his message is replied to? I will probably only read replies in one NG, and it might not be the one you are reading it in. If you delete the others in your reply, I might never see it. You post to a NG you don’t read and you reckon you’re not a troll? I don’t see anything in his post that has the slightest connection to being a troll. Serious questions, related to all the newsgroups he posted to. Nothing vaguely related to trollery in that. Trolldom has nothing to do with what or how many newsgroups one posts to, but has to do with the content of what is written. Also, the e-mail address given here for me is a fake one, to avoid spam, so do not reply via e-mail. You’re such a man. Mashed email = troll. Oh, you’re being macho now, insulting his manhood? A real man prints his real e-mail address to his newsgroup posts, ensuring that he’ll get tons of spam? A lot of people use fake e-mail addresses in their newsgroup posts, including myself, as that’s the surest way to avoid spam, as spammers have programs that "harvest" e-mail addresses from newsgroups. You sure have a strange definition of what is a "troll". There are plenty of real trolls on Usenet, especially on the mental health newsgroups, people who ruin those NGs, filling them with trollery, so it’s often hard to find the real discussions there. Trolls really wreck many newsgroups. Better to spend your time fighting the real trolls, rather than going after someone who starts a serious and relevant discussion. (Actually, the e-mail address that you use here on the NG not saying it isn’t, just that it doesn’t look like one to me. Is there a real domain called "absinthebri.com"? If you yourself are using a fake e-mail address (as many do on Usenet, to avoid spam and troll e-mails, nothing wrong with it), why are you slamming him for doing the same thing?) Please reply via newsgroup, and keep all the NGs above in your reply. Don’t tell people what to do. Again, he made a request, he did not "tell you what to do". Yes Brian, you are free to do as you wish. You are a free man. No one is "telling you what to do". Please no troll or OT replies, only serious discussion of the issues raised. You post, I reply; you get what you get. You have shown Usenet no respect whatsoever by cross-posting your troll instructions. There is no Usenet law against cross-posting. And nothing at all trollish in what he wrote. Again, if you want to fight trolls, there are plenty of real ones to go after. If you are concerned about your medication see your doctor. You are unlikely to get medically qualified advice here (however valid the personal experiences may be). Of course, only one’s personal doctor can decide what medication is right for the patient. That said, it’s understandable that people want to share ideas, discuss experiences, etc. Otherwise, what are these medical newsgroups for? You could say that to anyone writing to a medical newsgroup, asking to hear about other’s experiences–"don’t write here, see your doctor". What are newsgroups for then, IYO, if asking about other’s experience with a condition, treatment, medication, etc. is taboo? I think this guy (Edgar) would have been better off if he had skipped the part at the beginning, in which he explained why he was posting his message to several NGs. You might have then paid more attention to what he was writing about. (And I see another guy answered him by only quoting that part, and then asking "What was the question?", I guess not wanting to read farther than that.) So, by trying to explain the cross-posting at the beginning, some people make that the issue, rather than reading farther to see what the man was trying to discuss. He (Edgar) should have just started with the issue, rather than starting with an apology/explanation for cross-posting, for which there was really no need to apologize. Or, he should have at least left that explanation to the end, rather than at the beginning, as it seems some people couldn’t get further than that. Brian, you seem to be in a bad mood today. There’s really no reason to take it out on this guy, for asking about people’s experiences with a medication. If you want to fight trolls, there are plenty of real ones out there. I hope there are others who really give this guy (Edgar) their input into his questions, that this discussion doesn’t degenerate into a fight about cross-posting.
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But in general, do the side effects usually take the same length of time to come on as the intended effect, or do they usually come on sooner?
They usually start immediately and become less after 2 weeks or so. MB
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If we can put the argument about "what is spam" aside, since you seem knowledgeable about the medication, I have a further question about it for you.
I know that I replied to you on one group only and I’d be willing to bet others did too. Many of us feel uncomfortable posting to 10-15 ng’s. My personal, unsolicited suggestion to you would be to check the ng’s you posted to. You might find some valuable replies from people who really cared and took the time to write, yet didn’t cross-post. (About this one – I don’t know what group the original poster is reading and don’t have his email address – btw, you can avoid spam and help us write to you by adding little things to your email address that would make your real address obvious to us. I never get spam the way I’ve got my return address set up yet I do get very nice mail from people on my ng.) – Jen
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Nothing "brave" or "non-brave" about it. It is effective in avoiding spam, as spammers harvest e-mail addresses from newsgroups. I do it too.
I’m saying that he’s brave for using an antispam email address while spamming 11 groups. Prozac to the ADD med), it doesn’t sound like he is suicidal,
Patients usually don’t volunteer this information, particularly over the Internet. And patients can *become* suicidal after starting an SSRI. There have been lawsuits in the US over it, so I suspect that doctors there are prone to ‘do something’ to try to avoid it. Just to point out, that when you say something like "the side effects of Prozac are trivial, compared to the effects of serious depression, suicidal behavior, etc.", that probably is relevant to many people, but perhaps not to this guy, if he doesn’t have those conditions, and doesn’t know whether the Prozac will really help him at all with the organizational problems, etc. So his weighing of the side effects might be different than with someone who is suffering from serious depression.
I doubt it. He hasn’t experienced any of those side effects yet. Wait till he’s on the medication and then ask him how he feels. What do you mean by "well liked because of its side effects"?
Prozac is easy to prescribe to patients, partly because its side effect profile is much nicer than the other antidepressants given its tremendous positive benefits.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Please don’t think this message is spam or trollery, due to the fact that I posted it to several newsgroups, as it is neither. If you look at the list of NGs I posted to, you’ll see that they all are related to the topic. I don’t know which newsgroup might be more likely to have someone reading who could give me useful input into these questions, so I’m crossposting to several related newsgroups. If you reply, please do not delete some of the NGs in your reply. I will probably only read replies in one NG, and it might not be the one you are reading it in. If you delete the others in your reply, I might never see it. Also, the e-mail address given here for me is a fake one, to avoid spam, so do not reply via e-mail. Please reply via newsgroup, and keep all the NGs above in your reply. Please no troll or OT replies, only serious discussion of the issues raised. A few days ago I was prescribed Prozac by my psychiatrist. I just picked it up at the pharmacy today, and haven’t yet taken it, Just for some background–I’m male, 50 years old, this is the first time I’ve been prescribed any kind of anti-depressant. Just recently I was diagnosed with ADD (non-hyperactive type-difficulty organizing, staying on task, getting things done, etc.) and have been taking Adderall for a month. The doctor is now adding Prozac to it, thinking that my problem might be partially caused by anxiety. When he first prescribed it for me on Wednesday, he specified the brand name Prozac on the prescription, 10 mg tablets. One week taking a half tablet once per day, then 1 tablet for the next week, 1
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Hello all, I did wonder how you people here could manage ADD and avoid it to ruin your life and self-confidence. Because I’m finding myself in a terrible mess and feel like my life is really, well, spoiled, in a way. Although there’s still a great many things I could do (I am 28 now), the big trouble is that I totally lost my self-confidence and experien ced at least two big depressions. The trouble is that, you know, it’s like running into a wall, cause you CAN’T see the danger and feel everything is going to be OK, and then when you crash it’s even more painful and dreadful. To put it bluntly, I wasn’t -until recently- diagnosed ADD, but SO MANY things match up, that there is little doubt I’m not ; as a little boy, I used to worry endlessly, talk a lot, get interested into virtually anything, and also be creative (I made all sort of "experiences", dismounted toys to make something different, etc), or curious. Eventually, the worst thing is that I had a "scientific" profile that absolu tely mismatch with ADD ; I wanted to learn science, for the fun and the love of it, and each time, without I could understand, I failed to organize things and have a more "realistic" point of view ; I mean I mainly did things just for the fun of it, never thought I would eventually have to get a living out of something. Also I was TOO kind, whenever somebody asked me about something to do, I did it, for free, even if it required hours, cause I felt it was like a challenge. That’s what got me. Whenever I had been interested into any other area of knowledge, or had my interest less "spread" a little bit everywhere, that would have been manageable. I don’t know why as a child I wanted to do GREAT things (a little bit like all children), because I wanted to UNDERSTAND things ; at 5 I was fascinated by tiny magnets properties At 7 I wondered about the properties of matters, neutrons and protons. The same age I thought about the paradox of perpetual motion, and a little bit later on, about how a memory cell could be realized, etc. It’s too hard to sum up and/or say all that i had thought of, but it was A LOT, always on the run when I started; doing such a way, it isn’t really effective, and also you end up spending a lot of energy. I mean I know by now all these things do exist and you just have to pick up and use what you need for such or such a goal, and that’s it ; don’t have to WORRY about it. To end this short post, I eventually broke out when I was 23 ; I was on a 3rd year post-bac physics scholarship ; it had been an awful and terrible depression, possibly linked to wrong medication (there would be a lot of things to say about how I can be SO sensitive to meds). Yet another thing is that ADD can affect people differently, depending on their ability, character, etc, and how medication can affect them. I won’t mention here the whole set of craps I’ve been prescribed (and that eventually maybe *damaged* me a little more, the only important thing is that once a friend of mine, in Germany, that had an ADD child, told me that I was endlessly speaking and somehow "fast" ; I didn’t know ADD ; she said : "Do you know Ritalin ?", I said "No" ; "My husband and I wanted to know what we were giving to our child, half a pill I felt nothing and with a pill my husband almost freaked out". Then she asked me about my childhood and there was so puzzing coincidences she de cided me just to test a half….. And then for the first time in my life….. THE "ENGINE" STOPPED…… I mean I felt so CALM, and OK ; incredible, as if someone had turned down a switch, and I was in quite an easier wold, much more….SIMPLE. No need to rush for anything, just do the right thing – NOW, I understand. From that time I strongly suspect I do have ADD and that, as I didn’t know anything about it, it had to always "fight" against something I never know what it was ; in a way I feel relieved. The big trouble is that I live in France, where almost no physician knows about ADD ; and Ritalin is very controlled and on a hospital prescription only, as an exceptional drug. It *might* get prescribed only if you have a jumping-against-the-walls kid, but you people know ADD might have existed from always, and as a kid, you might have "resisted" as hard as you could, without showing ALWAYS such a caricatural behavior. Now, as a grown-up, I had little chances to get diagnosed (but it hap pened!), but the physician told me : "I’m not a hospital guy, I cannot prescribe it to you". So now starts yet another challenge : do I have to foccuss and despera tly look for a correct medication, or keep on living like I am ? The fight to get diagnosed and prescribed (and keeping one’s fingers crossed "Oh my god, please make the medication correction last as long as possible"), or what ? Do I have to believe in it ? How many people here make it well under related and effective ADD medications ? For how long time ? Is it worth it ? G.
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Hello, Thank you for your answer! It makes me feel better, less tired, I can concentrate on things w/o getting tired, I don’t shake my leg all the time,
Personnaly, in school I always tended to cross ans uncross my legs until I had a white mark on the left knee of my trousers. I can sit down at a table and listen to a conversation w/o getting bored …
Another challenge for me, as well ! however it doesn’t fully calm down. Maybe because I’m a heavy smoker and coffee drinker already, I need the max dose to get the effects (60 mg / day).
How long time have you been under it ? Does it work in the long run, or just few months and then you need to adjust with another medication ? On the other hand, it doesn’t make it easier for me to focus, but it’s more like I fear trying to concentrate on something because I know it’s gonna be painful; when I begin to however things go more smoothly.
That sounds positive, at least ; I wondered whether people had already experienced this "ON/OFF" effect with Ritalin, I mean you have suddenly the feeling that some "inner engine" stopped and everything is so much more calm and quiet… You know what I mean ? And yeah, psychiatry in France is a complete joke, esp. because they are so fond of freudian bullshit.
Worst thing is that almost NOBODY believes ADD CAN exist ; but it does, unfortunately. G
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Hello All and the Marquis, Personnaly, in school I always tended to cross ans uncross my legs until I had a white mark on the left knee of my trousers. I see … me it’s just shaking my right leg. Or pacing ("tourner en rond") when I have to think about something or talk.
That’s funny, I do absolutely quite the same thing, pacing around and/or speaking aloud when I have to think about smthg in particular ; although I think some non-ADD people might do the same, in me it happens ALL THE TIME, for even tiny events -I do recognize ARE not SO important in a way, afterward-. But in the instant, I can’t refrain from "staring" at it. Another challenge for me, as well ! Eh eh. Under Ritalin I found myself surprised not having to repress yawning.
I would just not listen, think about something else, look at the landscape, count elements in the background, stand up, etc. Always HAVE HAD to make an effort when we had some visiting people eating with us. How long time have you been under it ? Does it work in the long run, or just few months and then you need to adjust with another medication ? It’s supposed to work on the long run. It’s been only 3 weeks so far.
I’m asking cause I believe I could find something by myself before being diagnosed ; the trouble is that all my failures in life eventually triggered depressive states, and being at the time depressive AND still behaving/ thinking like an ADD-er is even MORE difficult to manage. So I "tried" some tiny things like supplements ; few little things that in a way do some change I can feel are : pseudoephedrine, phenylephrine, l-tyrosine and phenylalanine. All of them are PEA, and I do NOT know why I’m so sensitive to this chemical class. — REM : this section more particularly for ASDM people — Lately as I had found a medline report about MAOI-A and ADD treatment I asked to have moclobemide (Aurorix, Moclamine) a try. First it has had a very fast onset, and I felt like I had more energy and things worthed be ing done, BUT I was still doing as a hyper, i.e. doing/starting virtually 10 things at a time ; then, I gradually misused it, buiding up to the max do sage (which was still a therapeutic one, though), that is 6tabx150mg/ day ; it was TOO much, of course, and progressively weakened until I "crash", still under it, after 4 months of continued use. How I felt then has been the WORST moment of my life, nearest leaving it all. Moclobemide is said to be safe, but it is mainly -to ME- ineffective in the treatment of ADD, and even, as you saw, CAN be very harmful (li ke any psychoactive). Let me explain this : It should be started from 2tabs/day, i.e. 300mg/day, preferably in the morning. 300mg/day is already something for ANY psychoactive compound. And, as often, more doesn’t mean better, quite the oppo site in a way ; even with nootropic compounds such as piracetam the "reversed U" curve law applies ; that means : DO NOT BELIEVE people telling you (as i did) to build up the maximum dosage ; well, at very first, MAYBE, but NOT for CONTINUED use ; on continued use (i.e. after MAX 1-2 months), the LOWEST effective dosage is to be found. About moclobemide, at first, in sensible people, it can have awaking properties, that will progressively vanish through time and then require increased dosage : THAT IS THE DANGER. The danger seems to be more particularly for very FAST-onset people (like me) ; due to some genetic profile, among fast-onset people, a part of them might experience : - fast onset - weight loss - possible muscle gain (as if an anabolic reaction) - weakening effects through time requiring increasing the dosage - additionnal sleeping aid required (such as zolpidem=ambien
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<snipped Thanks, Kitten. I’m definitely trying to take steps to find myself. I’m going to counseling, this time around. But it has been refreshing having friends and family being supportive. Including somebody who I hadn’t talked to in a long time.
That’s great, Norma. I’m glad you’ve got such a good network. Kitten
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Hey – EJ – that was me that said that. I was only referring to that one message, and you cleared that up for me!! I don’t think you’re that kind of person at all now!! Dan — Dan Sowers Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em That I got no cerebellum – Joey Ramone website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com [snip] Elizabeth PS someone said that sometimes I come across as condescending. I hope I didn’t do that here. I’m trying to be supportive.
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Hey – EJ – that was me that said that. I was only referring to that one message, and you cleared that up for me!! I don’t think you’re that kind of person at all now!! Dan
Yeah, I know. I have been told that before by people in another group, so I’m just trying to watch it. I guess what I was trying to say was that, I realy have no idea how this is sounding…someone else said it sounded this way, and if it does it shouldn’t be taken that way or something…hehe. er….if that made sense. — # My email address elizabeth @, beginning of <psychology, end of <paradox, .dpn —–BEGIN PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 0.01 P+++++++c–*P6 ?R ++M+++O++MA+E PU BD++C++D++S++X WP MO PP n+CO?PO-o+G+A-OLC+OLCC+OLJ+OLP–OLR–OL CO–OLS–OLL–OLA–Ee Ev-Eon+Eot!Eob Eoa!uL+++++uB!uS!uH!uo!w—m!osA!osBE! ——END PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK——
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Norma, I don’t really have any advice, just empathy. I’ve been struggling myself with what to do about my marriage for the last couple of years. We had a brief respite in the summer of 2000, when we moved to AZ, but it’s gone back downhill since then. You may not feel courageous right now, but I applaud you for your courage in dealing with this. Kats
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Advice, thoughts on this? Norma, I don’t really have any advice, just empathy. I’ve been struggling myself with what to do about my marriage for the last couple of years. We had a brief respite in the summer of 2000, when we moved to AZ, but it’s gone back downhill since then. You may not feel courageous right now, but I applaud you for your courage in dealing with this. Kats
Thanks for the encouragement. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. In addition I may post less in the coming months. I’m not sure at this moment. I’ll have to go back to modem access, because I probably won’t be able to afford cable modem access, myself. I’ll still be around for a few days. I never thought I would see this day, not like this. Perhaps even after moving into the new place, I’ll find that I can afford cheap internet access. I don’t know, what will happen at this moment. I just know I have to do everything I can for my kids and I. This sucks… Not that I didn’t see the warning signs or anything like that. But then I find out divorce had been filed days ago, he didn’t even wait till after we had gone completely through divorce, and already he has started to see somebody else. Oh well. I have to take care of myself and the kids. That’s all that matters now. I have friends helping me with the drivers license. Things are looking up for now. I’m trying to see what’s the best option. I applied for welfare but really only want the food stamps and medi-cal. I don’t want financial assistance unless it’s absolutely necessary. I keep you posted when I can. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. In addition I may post less in the coming months. I’m not sure at this moment. I’ll have to go back to modem access, because I probably won’t be able to afford cable modem access, myself. I’ll still be around for a few days. I never thought I would see this day, not like this. Perhaps even after moving into the new place, I’ll find that I can afford cheap internet access. I don’t know, what will happen at this moment. I just know I have to do everything I can for my kids and I. This sucks… Not that I didn’t see the warning signs or anything like that. But then I find out divorce had been filed days ago, he didn’t even wait till after we had gone completely through divorce, and already he has started to see somebody else. Oh well. I have to take care of myself and the kids. That’s all that matters now. I have friends helping me with the drivers license. Things are looking up for now. I’m trying to see what’s the best option. I applied for welfare but really only want the food stamps and medi-cal. I don’t want financial assistance unless it’s absolutely necessary. I keep you posted when I can. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
Good Luck and try to keep us updated. m — The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, not to worry about the future, not to anticipate troubles, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly. Siddhartha Gautama (c. 566-486 B.C.) Founder of Buddhism http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm remove peterhood69 for mail
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Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations.
Oh, Norma, I am sorry to see another going through what I’ve been going through. You have a good attitude on it, from what I read in this post. Trying to maintain it is probably the hardest part. Your circumstances are different from mine, but the feelings are the same. You try as hard as you can to hold things together for the sake of the family, but they take it out of your hands…….Good luck with it all, and if you need to, we can write privately. — Ann
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Norma, I’m so sorry to hear you’re going through this awful experience. They guy is obviously a jerk (sorry). So you will land someone on the other side — one day not too far away — with a better life. Keep the faith that this will happen. Meanwhile, do what you can to keep your internet access, as this is a great source of pleasure and support for you; so keep that objective up front. And you have already begun to develop your intellectual independence through your ADD treatment; so keep headed in that direction insofar as seeking a meaningful career goal. You will gain great satisfaction — and aggravation! — from that achievment. :) And make sure you get the guidance and emotional support you need. You’re young, bright, and filled with enthusiasm. Life is all ahead! \ - – // oooO ( ) ( ) ) / ( (_
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. In addition I may post less in the coming months. I’m not sure at this moment. I’ll have to go back to modem access, because I probably won’t be able to afford cable modem access, myself. I’ll still be around for a few days. I never thought I would see this day, not like this. Perhaps even after moving into the new place, I’ll find that I can afford cheap internet access. I don’t know, what will happen at this moment. I just know I have to do everything I can for my kids and I. This sucks… Not that I didn’t see the warning signs or anything like that. But then I find out divorce had been filed days ago, he didn’t even wait till after we had gone completely through divorce, and already he has started to see somebody else. Oh well. I have to take care of myself and the kids. That’s all that matters now. I have friends helping me with the drivers license. Things are looking up for now. I’m trying to see what’s the best option. I applied for welfare but really only want the food stamps and medi-cal. I don’t want financial assistance unless it’s absolutely necessary. I keep you posted when I can. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
Norma, Although I can not say that I have ever been through this, my heart goes out to you. The feelings of powerlessness and lack of control are something that we all experience (especially women). I know it will be hard to do – but keep your head up, take joy in your children, and try to see the future as brightly as you can. Best of luck, Kathy
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Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations.
{{{{{Norma}}}}} You’ve got your family close by. Use your support network. *Don’t* let yourself lose confidence in yourself. One thing I can tell you from my own experience – Keep looking forward and focus on doing what’s right for you and your children. It took me a couple of years, but after my divorce, I finally figured out who *I* am. That’s made all the difference in the world. Life does go on. You *can* make your life happier than you ever thought it would be. You’re strong. You can do what you need to do. Kitten
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Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations.
The only advice I can give you now is to take care of yourself as well as your kids. Look for support and use it whenever and wherever you find it. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
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Oh Norma! Man…if I was wearing mascara, you’d have made it run! <grumbles about finding a tissue Here’s a flower I’m so sorry! The only experience I have with this is the child side, and it wasn’t a very good one. But from what I can see from your posts, you are a good person and don’t deserve to go through something like this. If your ex can’t see that, than you don’t deserve him. As for your children, I can see that you won’t make the mistakes my parents did in getting too wrapped up in themselves. You see to have your head on straight when it comes to your children. :-) I don’t know what else I can say that wasn’t said by the others. Except agree when they say keep your Internet access. It’ll be good for you, but, admittedly, there’s some selfishness (hehe) involved in that I’d miss your posts if you weren’t here. :-) <hug Elizabeth PS someone said that sometimes I come across as condescending. I hope I didn’t do that here. I’m trying to be supportive. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. In addition I may post less in the coming months. I’m not sure at this moment. I’ll have to go back to modem access, because I probably won’t be able to afford cable modem access, myself. I’ll still be around for a few days. I never thought I would see this day, not like this. Perhaps even after moving into the new place, I’ll find that I can afford cheap internet access. I don’t know, what will happen at this moment. I just know I have to do everything I can for my kids and I. This sucks… Not that I didn’t see the warning signs or anything like that. But then I find out divorce had been filed days ago, he didn’t even wait till after we had gone completely through divorce, and already he has started to see somebody else. Oh well. I have to take care of myself and the kids. That’s all that matters now. I have friends helping me with the drivers license. Things are looking up for now. I’m trying to see what’s the best option. I applied for welfare but really only want the food stamps and medi-cal. I don’t want financial assistance unless it’s absolutely necessary. I keep you posted when I can. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
– # My email address elizabeth @ beginning of <psychology end of <paradox .dpn
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Just that it sucks that you and your kids have to go through it. :-( There is a divorce support board (alt.support.divorce). There is a lot of good knowledge (I’m told) about the mechanics of divorce, which might be worthwhile. Come here for support, too, of course.
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Hi Norma, Here are two cents from a 36 year old guy who’s been married for 4 years. That means, take it with a grain of salt! If anything gets ugly try your best to continue reassuring the kids that it’s not their fault. The fact that he’s seeing someone else already stinks. But, a lot of the time those kind of relationships don’t last very long. I can only guess, or speculate, that the woman he is seeing is married also; a lot of times that’s the case. Even if she’s not, the fact that she would willingly date a married guy says something about her character (that is, unless she was unaware that he’s married, of course) so she could easily repeat the pattern on him and leave him high & dry. And if she does, well that leaves him alone and giving the ‘ol high-five to Yul Brenner, if you know what I mean… You are very loved here, as you should know by seeing all the responses to your post. I do hope you can log on now and then, even Google in from a public library if you have to, because you’ll continue to get support and plenty of warm & happies from this group. I’m not sure if you’re a religious person or not, but if you are, then pray. And hang strong to your faith. Faith has seen many ordinary people through extraordinarily difficult times. And know one more thing: Every day is a new day and a new start, and if you keep that perspective, facing tough times can be just a little less discouraging. That’s it from the peanut gallery. I wish you nothing but the best and my heart goes out to you. Take good care of yourself. Or, as I read in a Doonesbury comic one time: Be Firm, Fly Low, and Stay Cool All the best, — Dan Sowers Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em That I got no cerebellum – Joey Ramone website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com
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Thanks for the support, I will. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. Oh, Norma, I am sorry to see another going through what I’ve been going through. You have a good attitude on it, from what I read in this post. Trying to maintain it is probably the hardest part. Your circumstances are different from mine, but the feelings are the same. You try as hard as you can to hold things together for the sake of the family, but they take it out of your hands…….Good luck with it all, and if you need to, we can write privately.
Thanks, Ann, as I’m writing this, I have some tricks up my sleeve. I’m too darn stubborn to give up. Somebody told me my persistance can be both a positive trait and annoying. I like to think of it as positive Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. {{{{{Norma}}}}} You’ve got your family close by. Use your support network. *Don’t* let yourself lose confidence in yourself. One thing I can tell you from my own experience – Keep looking forward and focus on doing what’s right for you and your children. It took me a couple of years, but after my divorce, I finally figured out who *I* am. That’s made all the difference in the world. Life does go on. You *can* make your life happier than you ever thought it would be. You’re strong. You can do what you need to do. Kitten
Thanks, Kitten. I’m definitely trying to take steps to find myself. I’m going to counseling, this time around. But it has been refreshing having friends and family being supportive. Including somebody who I hadn’t talked to in a long time. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Norma, I’m so sorry to hear you’re going through this awful experience. They guy is obviously a jerk (sorry). So you will land someone on the other side — one day not too far away — with a better life. Keep the faith that this will happen. Meanwhile, do what you can to keep your internet access, as this is a great source of pleasure and support for you; so keep that objective up front. And you have already begun to develop your intellectual independence through your ADD treatment; so keep headed in that direction insofar as seeking a meaningful career goal. You will gain great satisfaction — and aggravation! — from that achievment. :) And make sure you get the guidance and emotional support you need. You’re young, bright, and filled with enthusiasm. Life is all ahead! \ - – // oooO ( ) ( ) ) / ( (_
Thanks for the support, Virginia. I can’t quite completely think of him as a jerk, even though it has run through my mind, and I’ve already gave him a piece of my mind. But it reaffirms once again that he may be a bit more ADHD than I had thought… Can’t wait till marriage is completely done with and sees somebody else? Sound like an impulsive act, anyone? Don’t get me wrong I was hurt by it. But to think of him as a complete jerk, feels not completely right, personally. Besides, I still have to be around him when he visits the kids. So I have to try to reconcile feelings… Sometime, at least. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Norma, Although I can not say that I have ever been through this, my heart goes out to you. The feelings of powerlessness and lack of control are something that we all experience (especially women). I know it will be hard to do – but keep your head up, take joy in your children, and try to see the future as brightly as you can. Best of luck, Kathy
Thanks for the words of support. I’m trying my best to keep my chin up, and have faith through all of this. Although the not-knowing-what-the-future-will-bring feeling has been difficult to deal with emotionally. But it’s especially encouraging seeing posts of support. Thank you, everybody, this group is the best for support. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Advice, thoughts on this? Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to do anything to help my marriage. So I’d like to know what families have gone through in similar situations. The only advice I can give you now is to take care of yourself as well as your kids. Look for support and use it whenever and wherever you find it. Nancy Unique, like everyone else
Thanks, Nancy. Support that I’ve gotten so far has really been like gold. I really have cherished it. I didn’t know so many people cared about me. I had a few people get on my case for not saying anything sooner. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Oh Norma! Man…if I was wearing mascara, you’d have made it run! <grumbles about finding a tissue Here’s a flower
Thanks, I love flowers. I’m so sorry! The only experience I have with this is the child side, and it wasn’t a very good one. But from what I can see from your posts, you are a good person and don’t deserve to go through something like this. If your ex can’t see that, than you don’t deserve him. As for your children, I can see that you won’t make the mistakes my parents did in getting too wrapped up in themselves. You see to have your head on straight when it comes to your children. :-) I don’t know what else I can say that wasn’t said by the others. Except agree when they say keep your Internet access. It’ll be good for you, but, admittedly, there’s some selfishness (hehe) involved in that I’d miss your posts if you weren’t here. :-)
Thanks I’ll do my best. <hug Elizabeth PS someone said that sometimes I come across as condescending. I hope I didn’t do that here. I’m trying to be supportive.
No, you didn’t come across as condescending. I totally appreciated your words of encouragement. Loved the flower too Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Advice, thoughts on this? Just that it sucks that you and your kids have to go through it. :-( There is a divorce support board (alt.support.divorce). There is a lot of good knowledge (I’m told) about the mechanics of divorce, which might be worthwhile. Come here for support, too, of course.
Thanks, Emma. I appreciate your comments. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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LOL, this is yet another way of stating the obvious, that I hadn’t heard before. And I thought I had heard them all, including some made up by either family members or friends. Saying hello to Rosy and her 4 sisters, is another one… You are very loved here, as you should know by seeing all the responses to your post. I do hope you can log on now and then, even Google in from a public library if you have to, because you’ll continue to get support and plenty of warm & happies from this group.
Thanks I’ll do my best. I don’t want to miss this group! I’m not sure if you’re a religious person or not, but if you are, then pray. And hang strong to your faith. Faith has seen many ordinary people through extraordinarily difficult times. And know one more thing: Every day is a new day and a new start, and if you keep that perspective, facing tough times can be just a little less discouraging.
Been definitely trying to pray lately. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s it from the peanut gallery. I wish you nothing but the best and my heart goes out to you. Take good care of yourself. Or, as I read in a Doonesbury comic one time: Be Firm, Fly Low, and Stay Cool All the best, — Dan Sowers Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em That I got no cerebellum - Joey Ramone website: http://minor7b5.home.mindspring.com
Thanks again for the words of encouragement. Norma — Follow the white rabbit… But don’t get lost!
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Due to insurance restrictions, I am currently trying to locate a more extensive list (CHADD only provides a few names) of doctors within SF *proper* that are familiar with the treatment of ADD. Any Help Appreciated. C.
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Hi, I have some CA clinicians listed on my website at www.addconsults.com Terry Due to insurance restrictions, I am currently trying to locate a more extensive list (CHADD only provides a few names) of doctors within SF *proper* that are familiar with the treatment of ADD.
http://www.addconsults.com
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I have been looking far and wide for experts who can help treat ADD in the Chicago area…does anyone know of a clinician / support group? Thanks in advance.
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I have been looking far and wide for experts who can help treat ADD in the Chicago area…does anyone know of a clinician / support group? Thanks in advance." I know someone who is very good in the near northwest suburbs. Would that help?
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I have been looking far and wide for experts who can help treat ADD in the Chicago area…does anyone know of a clinician / support group? Thanks in advance.
Check for your local ChADD group. — Kitten = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I’m a bitch, I’m a lover; I’m a child, I’m a mother I’m a sinner, I’m a saint; I do not feel ashamed I’m your hell, I’m you dream; I’m nothing in between You know you wouldn’t want it any other way – – - Meredith Brooks
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I have been looking far and wide for experts who can help treat ADD in the Chicago area…does anyone know of a clinician / support group? Thanks in advance.
Dr. Peter Jaksa, ADDA’s president, is a psychologist in the Chicago area. Feel free to email me with contact information. Terry http://www.addconsults.com
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